tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post8225104629845377004..comments2024-03-24T03:19:39.745-04:00Comments on Just About Write: Arrow 3x17 "Suicidal Tendencies" (So It's Gonna Be Forever Or It's Gonna Go Down In Flames)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-37502902185038066372015-04-01T22:36:30.202-04:002015-04-01T22:36:30.202-04:00(...)
So, you see, I really understood Felicity g...(...)<br /><br />So, you see, I really understood Felicity going to Ray. <br />Until this episode. <br /><br />Man, this Ray proved to be such a jerk! Who he thinks he is to even THINK he knows who Oliver really is? To question Felicity`s loyalty to him and just dismiss it because of her feelings for Oliver? I got so angry that I really wished someone killed Ray in this episode. Or torture him! He lost his appeal to me! ( Sorry, Brandon Routh! Your Atom sucks!) And now I question in the name of God, why is Felicity still with him? I mean, really Felicity? He tried to KILL OLIVER! To kill the supposed love of your life! And based in what? What justify him doing that and you still being by his side? I can`t understand! Really! <br />And I really hope they fix it until the end of this season or I`ll start questioning my love for Felicity! Really!<br /><br />So, to finish this long text, I expect some things to happen until the end of this season:<br />1) Felicity realizing that just because Oliver doesn`t want to be with her ( I don`t buy the "I can`t" thing), it doesn`t mean she has to be with the first guy who shows up. I mean, really, she even did`t give Ray the opportunity to buy her dinner before jumping in bed with him! Desperation it seems and we all know that Felicity doesn`t need to be this way! <br />2)Ray disappearing of the face of earth. Really, go away!<br />3) Oliver realizing that he can be happy and be the arrow. And by this I don`t even mean he has to be with Felicity( although I would love that!) . Happiness doesn`t resume to being with someone, he can be happy alone! Just stop the brooding and the "I can`t have friends, be in love, be happy and must die alone" thing!<br /><br />Ok, thanks for letting me vent! LOL<br /><br />Sorry about my english. It`s not my first language and It gets difficult to express in words what you really feel when you are not using your native language :)Camilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17701270560715016131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-71417380261656448082015-04-01T22:35:49.268-04:002015-04-01T22:35:49.268-04:00Hello, my first time here. Just found your blog an...Hello, my first time here. Just found your blog and all your reviews and I am thrilled! I needed a place to vent! LOL<br /><br />I must say I am team Olicity FOREVER and nothing will ever change that! Ever! I think they are perfect together in so many levels... First of all, Oliver CARES about Felicity. I am not saying that in a romantic way - because we know he loves her - but every other possible way. Since the beginning of the show he always cared about Felicity and that`s something! He is a private person and he hides what he feels so much that there were times I actually hadn't a clue of what he was feeling ( most of the times until recently). He shows no emotion all the time and It`s something really hard for anyone to do. I understand that it`s a defense mechanism but I confess I got angry with him so many times because of that. And because of how he really hide emotions, I got really shocked when he confessed he loved Felicity in the end of last season. I was truly shocked!<br />On the other hand, he always showed how much he cared for Felicity since the beginning and that melts my heart. This season he is a little bit more open about his deep feelings and I think this is why I love him so much. But - a big but - this ever going crisis he has, when he thinks he can`t be happy, he can`t be with anyone (hello..what about sarah?Why could he be with her AND help the city and the same does not apply to Felicity? Because he loves Felicity and he did`t love Sarah? I hope not, because this would make him selfish in my opinion!) AND fight crime, really started annoying me! REALLY. Because I think there is a limit for so much brooding one person can be. In this season, Oliver got really dark, really serious, really brooding and I can count in one hand the smiles he gave; not that he smiled a lot before.<br />Anyway, I said all that just to explain that I really understood Felicity moving on to Ray. Really. She asked Oliver to stop dangling maybes, to say that he would NEVER be with her, that he NEVER loved her; in this point I read her thinking that IF he really loved her, he would find a way of being with her AND being The Arrow and being Oliver Queen. And i totally agreed with her.<br />So, when she decided she really deserved someone to be happy with and someone willing to commit in a relationship with her, she realized that Oliver was not willing to try. Oliver was willing to go after Ras and risk his life, Oliver was willing to try working side by side with Malcon to defeat Ras, Oliver was willing to keep protecting the city. But - again, a huge but- he was not willing to try being with her. And that hurts. Boy, it hurts so much I can almost feel Felicity`s pain. It hurts so much that she had to move on. She couldnt keep doing this to herself. She moved on.<br />Ray apparently was the perfect guy to replace Oliver in Felicity`s heart: good looking with a great sense of humor. But the most important thing - and I think that this is what attracted Felicity to him - he listened to her and followed her advices. He truly listened to her. In my opinion, Felicity did`t think Oliver really listened to her, otherwise, he would not go after Ras and would not be with Macon.Ray instead, listened to her. Took her advices. Followed what she had to say. That was a huge turn on for Felicity who, up until now, was always struggling to make Oliver see things the way they really were. It was always hard, difficult and requiring a lot of work, to make Oliver REALLY listen to her and follow what she said. With Ray was easy. He listened. He took her opinions in consideration. He followed what she said. Huge turn on for Felicity. (continuesCamilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17701270560715016131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-12626487778453421532015-03-30T23:55:20.424-04:002015-03-30T23:55:20.424-04:00I absolutely love the idea of Felicity getting spa...I absolutely love the idea of Felicity getting spa time with Caitlin and Iris. She deserves it, and she needs to get away from the crazy men she's involved with.<br /><br />This episode had the best Laurel the show has ever done. I wish they would let her stay a kickass lawyer instead of a flailing Black Canary.<br /><br />" He isn't a hero because it makes himself feel better (which is precisely what, I think, is driving a lot of Ray's decisions)."<br /><br />That's interesting because what drives Laurel is that beating up people makes her feel better by quieting the rage inside her, as she said. It's ironic, or maybe planned, that the two weakest fighters this season, the ones who really shouldn't be out there yet, do it not to help others but because it makes them feel better about themselves.<br /><br />My head almost exploded when Ray told Felicity he's been open with her from the start because he's been lying to her from their first meeting when he went looking for her (as per Andrew Kreisburg) because he'd heard of her rise at QC and still used her to get the tools to illegal hack into QC's private files. He didn't tell her why he was so desperate to hire her (to get the OMAC intel) or why he wanted it. He didn't tell her, his "partner" that the suit has been working for five weeks or that he stole her facial recognition software for it. It makes Felicity seem so desperate for a real partner, one who will let her in emotionally and in his mission, that she's ignoring the warning signs.<br /><br />Ray spends the episode telling Felicity and Laurel that they're too blinded by their emotions to make good judgements but he's much worse than they are because he's blinded by his desire to take down the Arrow. At the end, he accepts Oliver's judgement when he refused to take Felicity's (remember when he told her how much he relied on her judgement?) and she's still the one who apologizes to him first. <br /><br />He's been a complete douche, and I don't understand how we're supposed to want to see him in the new spin-off. <br /><br />I liked Oliver in this episode but he lost points with me when he told Felicity that Ray was going to dump her as soon as he got more experience as a vigilante. Not cool, guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-82901172498862616862015-03-30T10:05:50.790-04:002015-03-30T10:05:50.790-04:00Mey: First off, thank you so much for your comment...Mey: First off, thank you so much for your comments! It's clear that you took a lot of time and thought and put them into commenting. I truly appreciate it. Secondly, you never should apologize for your English! I'm always blown away by people who comment here and aren't native English speakers. You guys are awesome, seriously, so thank you so much!<br /><br />You're right in that a huge theme of this season is family. We see it in every story: With Oliver/Thea, with Malcolm, with Felicity, with Maseo, with the Lances, Diggle, etc. I think the question of what it means to be a family is so strong, too. What does a good family look like? Is it okay to justify lies by telling your loved ones it's because you're "protecting them"? How far will you go to save your family? etc. etc.<br /><br /><i>It was also beautiful to see it when Deadshot "used it" with his action in this episode. He sacrifice in the name of the family he had lost and the opportunity to be with them so Diggles and Lyla will have that chance.</i><br /><br />YES. You're exactly right. Deadshot's sacrifice was so important and powerful because of all of those themes that had been present in the episode about family, especially his own.<br /><br />You know, I hadn't really thought too much about the scene in "The Calm" about paralleling it with Dig/Lyla in this episode -- that eventually he would be the one in the field having to make the same choice they did and feeling the regret they did in "Suicidal Tendencies" -- but I think you're onto something there, really.<br /><br />I think you're right that there's a part of Felicity that romanticizes relationships but I think the larger aspect here is that she values honesty and happiness above anything else. And of course, she's never going to be completely and totally happy all of the time. But the difference now is that Ray is allowing himself to be happy by being with her; Oliver wasn't. And he still isn't. Even though they're not together, he still keeps pushing her away and it's frustrating for her. And she's right: she doesn't deserve that.<br /><br /><i>Felicity sees in Ray the hero she wants.</i> <br /><br />Exactly this. She sees everything Oliver isn't being with her and that's what draws her toward Ray. (Though after this episode I don't even remotely know WHY.) I did totally get a momentary ship vibe from Laurel/Ray in their confrontation but I don't think ANY female character deserves to be with the awfulness that is Ray Palmer.<br /><br />Thanks again for your comment, Mey! :)Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-70476015698614114272015-03-30T09:48:30.440-04:002015-03-30T09:48:30.440-04:00Sokipie, thank you so much for your kind comment! ...Sokipie, thank you so much for your kind comment! That is so flattering and I am honored that you think so! :)Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-9671769240886194662015-03-30T09:47:58.496-04:002015-03-30T09:47:58.496-04:00Hey there anon! I should have been more specific i...Hey there anon! I should have been more specific in the actual post, but I think I mentioned in the comments that technically Ray is correct because I think meant more emotional honesty. He's always been upfront about his feelings to her and his thing was (in the completely jerk way he went about it because make no mistake, I loathe Ray Palmer now) that he felt like the reason she wasn't telling him was because she had feelings for Oliver that were blinding her to the truth of who he was.<br /><br />Blegh. So yes, technically he was super duper shady in terms of how he got her to help him with the Atom. But he really has always been upfront about how he feels with her.<br /><br />UGH. I said above too that if Ray had been introduced IN a spin-off and then like, integrated into the show I feel like I would accept his character a little bit more. But now... nope. Too late. he's the worst. I don't want the spinoff to fail if Caity Lotz is, indeed, in it because I love her but can we just like... zap Ray Palmer to Oliver's island and let Slave deal with him? Please?Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-2314457404317663122015-03-30T09:15:39.932-04:002015-03-30T09:15:39.932-04:00It occurred to me today, in the run-up to the Arro...It occurred to me today, in the run-up to the Arrow/SCPD conflict: what on earth will Lance think when he finds out that MALCOLM MERLYN is living in Oliver's flat?<br /><br />Come to think of it, why doesn't he hand Merlyn over to the people's justice as a matter of course? I really don't get why he's making all these terrible choices.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-85115532924974903752015-03-29T21:20:38.734-04:002015-03-29T21:20:38.734-04:00This is great overall, but to be clear, Ray has mo...This is great overall, but to be clear, Ray has most certainly not been honest with her from the beginning. He lied to her the moment they met when he tricked her into helping him hack QC. He lied to her about why he wanted the hard drive fixed He failed to inform her why he wanted the mine. He stole her facial recognition software and failed to tell her the suit she had helped build has been working for weeks. He's basically a big old turd, and I look forward to the hard failure of the spinoff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-24409867932980048712015-03-28T08:46:57.573-04:002015-03-28T08:46:57.573-04:00Hi :-). I just wanted to say that you write beauti...Hi :-). I just wanted to say that you write beautifully, with so much insight and heart. Thank you for sharing xSokipiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092411361014528370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-41172430777452364132015-03-27T12:27:58.077-04:002015-03-27T12:27:58.077-04:00Sitara, welcome back! Thank you, as always, for co...Sitara, welcome back! Thank you, as always, for commenting. :)<br /><br />1) Ahhh, yes. Welcome aboard SS Used-to-Be-Indifferent-Toward-Ray-Now-We-Hate-Him. ;) <i> Guy needs to do some more research on who the actual villains are in Starling City.</i> SERIOUSLY. For someone who did a lot of research on The Arrow, he certainly didn't do much on the threats that targeted the city. Sheesh. Everyone, too, is up in arms over Ray shooting Roy and I love it. HE HAD NO REASON TO. POOR ROY.<br /><br />2) <i>I'm totally of the mind that a spin-off with Atom would be great, it could be a bit more science and techy than Arrow, but Ray on Arrow needs quite a bit of work.</i> I think this is essentially how a lot of people feel. If Ray had been introduced on his own first and THEN integrated into the show, it would have worked better. The reason Barry worked the reverse way (being integrated into Arrow and then getting his own show) is because he was just so darn likable. Grant is like, a puppy, and everyone loved Barry even if you didn't ship him with Felicity. The problem is that they tried TOO hard to get us to like Ray and when people backed away, he was shoved on us further. I don't know how the spin-off will work considering most people DON'T like Ray and want him off the show so they don't have to see him anymore. I think they should have just done what I noted above and it would have been better.<br /><br />3) <i>The Suicide Squad were great, I had not expected to warm to Deadshot, but he was rather compelling, I really hope he jumped or something off that roof, why do they have to kill the interesting characters?</i> I went into this episode thinking: "I love Deadshot's dry wit and sarcastic humor and Cupid's crazy so this will be fun" and came out of it thinking: "Deadshot was the most compelling part of this entire episode and his backstory was so deep and tragic that I JUST WANT MORE." We all know he can't REALLY be dead. He'll return. He better.<br /><br />4) I did like the Oliver/Felicity moments we got. I think the fact is that we are all just happy they're TALKING again. I don't even care if they're arguing because that's better than avoiding each other. And they both made some really good points in this episode.<br /><br />I'm 1000000% ready for the end of Raylicity which (if sources are correct and theories are true) should be happening within the next two episodes. I hope.<br /><br />As always, thank you for commenting! :)Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-51519340491412487242015-03-27T12:03:18.423-04:002015-03-27T12:03:18.423-04:00Hi there, again Bri! Welcome back, as always. :D
...Hi there, again Bri! Welcome back, as always. :D<br /><br />1) Excellent point made about the chip in Deadshot's head. I wonder if maybe they just assume he's dead so it gets deactivated? Orrrrrr that's a glaring plot hole (considering he's probably alive because really is anyone ever 100% dead on Arrow?)<br /><br />2) THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT POINT ABOUT FELICITY NOT TELLING RAY. I kept thinking: "But that wasn't her secret to tell you." Because even if she DID tell him she was working with The Arrow, he would try to figure out who he was. She would never willingly tell him (she didn't willingly tell Wells and that was a guy she insanely admired and she only told Barry because Oliver was dying, etc.) She keeps his secrets and so I thought it was out of place for Ray to be offended by that. Though Oliver was offended Felicity didn't tell him about Ray being a superhero so I thought that was out of place, too. NOT HER SECRET TO TELL, DUDE.<br /><br />3) <i>I think Oliver won a lot of points today (with everyone in the show and with everyone in the audience). He was straightforward with everybody, he helped Felicity with Ray when she needed him (even if she didn´t ask, and ok, it was the right thing to do, but not everyone would have done it). He didn´t like Ray being the Atom and what that meant for Felicity´s safety, but he helped them fix things, and that´s something alright!</i><br /><br />Oliver has been a jerk for about 75% of the season but everything you just said is why he was one of my absolute favorite characters in this episode. THIS is the Oliver I can get behind: someone who communicates and who cares and who fights for Felicity without her asking him to, just because he really loves her and wants her to be happy.<br /><br />4) WHY DID RAY WANT TO ATTACK ROY? None of that made any sense.<br /><br />5) I just need an entire scene where the ladies are just sitting around in Central City, relaxing and taking a day off from saving the world to eat chocolate and talk about boys. It's silly but I want it so much.<br /><br />6) UGH. Okay I think Felicity must be saved by Ray... although, I would really like it if Laurel or Lance saved her and then as a consequence, Ray was in the open and got shot instead. IDK honestly how they will get out of a Ray/Felicity relationship if he saves her... again. <br /><br />BRI THANK YOU ALWAYS FOR YOUR COMMENTS. <3Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-55839191181525242842015-03-27T11:28:23.506-04:002015-03-27T11:28:23.506-04:00Lanche: hello and welcome, first off! I'm so g...Lanche: hello and welcome, first off! I'm so glad that my name twin/soul sister (Jen) and I are able to give you a different perspective. (And yes, frustration is brewing quite strong for certain characters, haha.)<br /><br /><i>Ray's line about never lying to Felicity is quite laughable actually because their very first meet was under false pretences. Then he decided to allow Felicity to secretly work on a project now known as ATOM. Then he pulled her in to work on the suit, then he lied about it being ready...then, then, then.</i><br /><br />Everyone has brought up this point which I had admittedly forgotten about. But I can play devil's advocate in that perhaps he didn't mean literally and meant more like... he's always been open with his feelings for her and he thought she was, too, but clearly he thinks she's still emotionally attached to Oliver? That's me playing the world's smallest violin for Ray and giving him a brief moment of empathy, lol.<br /><br /><i>before anything remotely romantic happened between Felicity and Oliver, they trusted each other implicitly. They were ride or die buddies</i><br /><br />THIS. It was extremely evident in this episode that there will never be a choice between Oliver and Ray -- she's going to choose Oliver every time and defend him, even when they're arguing.<br /><br />For the life of me, I can't think of anything remotely positive about Ray moving forward. I don't even care if he saves Felicity's life in the next episode by stepping in front of that arrow (I mean, I do because obviously I don't want to ever have this show be without Felicity, but I would rather have like... Laurel tackle Felicity and then Ray just get shot and die already. #horribleperson).<br /><br />I went from trying to play devil's advocate for Ray/disliking him to full-on jumping aboard the SS Ray Palmer Is The Worst boat this episode. I think -- from interactions with people on Twitter -- that this episode marked a turning point for a lot of others in that regard.<br /><br />You're always welcome to share your thoughts and opinions here, because that's what the comments section is made for! Thanks so much for sharing. :)Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-20820285383089703022015-03-26T22:54:01.741-04:002015-03-26T22:54:01.741-04:00Anyways Ray is necessary evil to Felicity to reali...Anyways Ray is necessary evil to Felicity to realize and understand the reasons Oliver had to pushed her away.<br /><br />Eventually Ray will do it, I'm with Oliver in this, he just lost Ana. Just one...he is in this freaking high trip of egocentric heroism thinking he will not lose anyone else because he's so intelligent and so brave that he will save the world....hello palmer....Oliver had lost at least a dozen so line forms behind him...<br /><br />Felicity sees in Ray the hero she wants. The hero she wants to save her, even though she doesn't need it.<br /><br />What will happen when felicity, as we saw at the end of this episode, be in danger? That working with him put her at risk I'm sure egomaniac guy will shut her down too. *crossed finger that happens in the hospital scene or just be the beginning of problems in that direction*<br /><br />Ok I have to say....He accused her of lying, which was NOT a lie, only hidden information...but didn't he do the same with the supersuit? Exactly!!! We're watchinh you Ray, we're watching you.<br /><br />This is not about what she is capable of...I mean she can kick some packs pretty hard(Season 2.5 #15).<br /><br />This reminds me when Felicity told Palmer after Sara died... "I'm over my quota where losing friends are concerned". I know he lost his fiance but whatever its not the same...the path of every superhero begins with one dead but it also is accompanied by many others.<br /><br />(sorry I really hate his egotrip I know his intentions are good but...i don't trust him...I think his unstable as Laurel...wait that will be a great pair...maybe we can start a Raurel ship, right? No? Ok forget it)<br /><br />In the relationship with Ray she will learn a few things but mostly the idealization she has with the merge of "the hero and human being" it's not possible or at least its complicated as Diggles said it.<br /><br />I'm not trying to validate Oliver actions it just sometime we are so focus on our perceptions that we forget to fit the others shoes.<br /><br />Well for me Oliver is not rejecting Felicity because he is afraid to be happy he is rejecting her because he thinks she can never have with him what he wants for everybody( but himself) to have..a family.<br /><br />Sorry for my english and for the extensive of this comment.<br /><br />Much Love<br /><br />MeyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-58275694831044681142015-03-26T22:52:58.629-04:002015-03-26T22:52:58.629-04:00Diggles validate Oliver's position after he wa...Diggles validate Oliver's position after he was in the middle of a mission with a zero expectation to exit it alive. Lyla was hysterical because she realized they will leave baby Sarah an orphan and Diggles felt that too. Reality checks in!<br /><br />That's what Oliver has been fighting for family. That's his identity, his real struggle, his real humanity, the family.<br /><br />If he lose this attachment he will lose his humanity with it. That's why felicity is so important in his life...she is the family we wants for his own.<br /><br />In 2.23 the unthinkable was to put in danger the one he loved the most to defeat Slade. (This very important because in the Arrow CW comics Oliver told Roy...he just get her back from slade and he can't risk to lose her again). That's why after their first date, the bomb and the baby scene he decided to breakup with Felicity. "Before it's too late" and that means be in the same position of lyla and diggles. So after the bomb in the restaurant the did what Diggles and Lyla did in this episode. And after Tatsu saved his life she said that in order to defeat Ra's he will lost that most precious to his heart.<br /><br />I know he hurt Felicity and also it was painful(extremely) for her losing him at Ra's al Ghul's blade but it was not the same.(wow I don't know how to explain it more). He gave her the chance to live a life, to find someone who love her as she deserve and have a family. Because if she is alive and have a family his purpose is served in a wicked way but it is there...<br /><br />And No, it will not be with the Egomaniac/ narcissist Ray.(Ok I feel relief)<br /><br />Ok, this will be difficult and may be some of you will be furious but lets talk about Ray, a necessarily evil in this story, and Felicity's relationship.<br /><br />First our heroine...sorry in advance I will try to be nice with her but she's making it difficult to me...<br /><br />Felicity thinks she can have it all...but she is also damaged. She has abandon issues, she has felt the (not so real) lost of a lover(who also sacrificed himself for her). Even though she is a mature and confident woman she idolize the love relationships. Or at least with the few tips we have i can rely on that. She's willing to love and live and needs someone who wants that too. She want it all. Not bad but...we can't have it all. In order to live a life we need to sacrifice a few aspect of it. Thinks of the sacrifice we have done in order in our lives. Maybe it's all about balance but never all or nothing. Felicity right now, maybe she needs it, its about all or nothing. Also i like to pinpoint that the decision she made with Oliver on the first episodes this season(and also later) were made after the lost of some she loves...abandon issues manifesting at all of its glory. By this I mean she do it by impulse and not with a clear mind...all or nothing.<br /><br />She wants a hero. She want to be saved. It doesn't matter if she needs to be saved. Our first hero are our parents. For the girls is the father...and Felicity did not have this kind of relationship. That's why she run from Oliver to Ray. Yes, she choose Ray just because she wants the hero that "says" what she wanted to hear. Ray said he wants a partner in real life, his mission and in work. REMEMBER her words "Ray wants to be a hero and a human being"....I'm sure Oliver wanted it also...but he almost lost felicity two times...(this is why the comics from Arrow are so important- oh you clever guggenheim!)- it is not about how afraid he is for being happy is about he doesn't want to feel the misery of losing her...to take away the opportunity to live a life, to have a family. I don't know if what I'm writing make any sense I'm trying my hardest to...<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-15770395798423637682015-03-26T22:50:29.533-04:002015-03-26T22:50:29.533-04:00I want to add, to all your writings, that the main...I want to add, to all your writings, that the main theme in Green Arrow(comics) as in Arrow(TV) is family.<br /><br />In my case this is how I see this freaking addictive TV Series formally named as Arrow...well, I see the family pattern, coming from behind, more and more in this season.<br /><br />In life you have a main thing that drives you thru it. Your profession, your social life style & status(sadly but true), love, friend and a dozen more...in Oliver' case is family(the concept).<br /><br />Since Oliver came back from the island we see how he managed to re connect again with his family(S1) how can he worked to save his SC family and his blood family(no pun intended but hey wait! It does, right?��)(S2), and how he manage the desire to have a family of his own(S3).<br /><br />Just a few points about this "family issues"<br /><br />Blood's Family, the one that life gave us:<br />We know how his parents died so he could live.We know he died so Thea could live. Family does that...they make sacrifices and we make sacrifices in honor to fulfill them or something like that.<br /><br />Starling City, Team Arrow and the one's we choose as families:<br />Maseo is constantly saying he is grateful for what he had done with his family. We know Tatsu and Maseo are separated and their child is missing(presumedly dead). <br />-I think after what happened in Hong Kong it was more clear to Oliver the need to fight for "The family" concept.-<br /><br />We know the reason for his vigilante's crusade is to make sure those police officer came back to their families.<br /><br />We see how he pushed Diggles to choose family first over all...<br /><br /><br />We make sacrifice for our friends, our community, our pairs, etc..... that's what make us sociable people...we may fight for equity, social justice, environment and so many thing and in this daily basis we create a family too.<br /><br />Family of his own:<br /><br />Normally our goal is to have a family of our own. It's part of our culture, our traditions, it could be socially impose, or whatever.... but its there. We also, most of the time, come from one...disfuncional or not. The legacy of ones life as some people call it.<br /><br />In this matter we know he wants one but he is pushing felicity away because of the life he chose. And he also wants her to have a family (slightly implicit but it's there) not just to be happy. Why denied her the opportunity to have it.....why he has to be selfish with it? <br /><br />Remember the hurt face in the hospital when sara was born and felicity was near them? After that he finished the never-started relationship and after that every word that comes out of his mouth thru this season is about family...the one he could not have(pushing Diggles to embrace the opportunity he has with lyla and sara)this was felicity but in Sara's dead she used "there's been a dead in the family" (it really was a reference to the comics where The Joker killed Robin but that does not matter here, sorry ��), the importance to be near family(when Thea was in Corso Maltese), the conflict we will always have with them(Felicity and mama Smoak), the sacrifices we are willing to make for them(fighting Ra's Al Ghul) and so on.<br /><br />Using the words from, don't remember his name, the one who died in the freight in season 2. "the essence of heroism is to die so that others can live" Oliver do this all the time for families.<br /><br />It was also beautiful to see it when Deadshot "used it" with his action in this episode. He sacrifice in the name of the family he had lost and the opportunity to be with them so Diggles and Lyla will have that chance.<br /><br />See, Lyla and Diggles brokedown in the mission and that's why when they came back talked about their priorities. Family. Diggles, for the first time told Oliver he was right. They: Team Arrow and Company has been telling Oliver what a jackass he has been because he choose to be The Arrow instead of been Oliver Queen<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-44026407833476274452015-03-26T20:25:54.179-04:002015-03-26T20:25:54.179-04:00Hi Jennifer Marie
I've mentioned before that ...Hi Jennifer Marie<br /><br />I've mentioned before that I quite liked Ray (apart from the phone pinging etc) but my opinion has changed somewhat as he was incredibly annoying and arrogant. While I get he is trying to save the city in his own way, it just felt like he was running amok in his Atom suit, with him blasting Roy and Oliver which I was NOT happy with at all. Poor Roy! Guy needs to do some more research on who the actual villains are in Starling City. I did like his confrontations with Oliver and I'm totally with you on him getting Laurel-Lanced, that was a great scene!<br />I'm totally of the mind that a spin-off with Atom would be great, it could be a bit more science and techy than Arrow, but Ray on Arrow needs quite a bit of work. This episode did not endear me to him at all. He brought it back a little towards the end but I find it annoying every time he is with the Mayor (also why does Felicity have to be there?) Maybe he should run for Mayor instead, we've seen more speeches from him than the actual Mayor and he could do better things for the city on that path rather than flying around in his Atom suit. He did feel like a politician in this episode.<br /><br />Onto the lovely characters - Diggle and Lyla. They were so cute in the wedding and overall in the whole episode. I love how normal they are in amongst of all the craziness in the Arrow world and how in-tune they are with each other. I was a bit disappointed the wedding was so short, I would have liked to have seen Felicity actually catching the bouquet and a few more wedding scenes but they did jam so much into the episode that by the end the wedding felt like it happened a few episodes ago (if that makes sense).<br /><br />The Suicide Squad were great, I had not expected to warm to Deadshot, but he was rather compelling, I really hope he jumped or something off that roof, why do they have to kill the interesting characters?<br /><br />Oliver and Felicity, these two! Whether they are arguing or talking, I'm here for it all. I'm normally a patient person but now I wondering how long are they going to keep doing this dance. As always when these two really talk, it's gold, and there were some really great frank conversations. Love the little peck on the cheek, very cute Felicity:)<br /><br />While this episode was a little Ray-centric, I'm glad that Oliver and Ray know of each other better than before rather than being referenced through Felicity. But I'm ready for Raylicity to be over now ;)<br /><br />Sitara xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-14104662799648336112015-03-26T18:08:36.479-04:002015-03-26T18:08:36.479-04:00On your idea of better ways to tell this story, IM...On your idea of better ways to tell this story, IMAGINE:<br /><br />A plot is Diggle/Lyla getting married with flashbacks to how they fell apart and came back together in combat situations (because of their loyalty and knowing each other)<br /><br />B plot is Oliver vs. Ray engaged in full hero on hero combat<br /><br />WITH <br /><br />Ray and Felicity falling apart because they can't handle the strain<br />Oliver and Felicity growing closer and closer because not only can they, they do this daily <br /><br />If the episode had just been that and been mostly Diggle-Lyla centric (with a clear comparison to Oliver-Felicity), I would be in season 2 heaven.... SIGH. It could have been so good.<br /><br />Ps. How was Ray going to explain how he saw Oliver with x-ray vision unless he outs himself as The Atom to the District Attorney? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-69364167096349275062015-03-26T16:44:33.465-04:002015-03-26T16:44:33.465-04:00oh!! and I forgot... I think Maseo will shoot Feli...oh!! and I forgot... I think Maseo will shoot Felicity (damn you Maseo, you were one of my favorites!! And Ray will save her, and that´s why he´s in the hospital badly hurt in 3x18...... see?? How are they going to get rid of him if he does thing like that??<br />BriAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-73812646339252648052015-03-26T16:36:47.247-04:002015-03-26T16:36:47.247-04:00YESSS!!! Thanks Anonymous, I thought I was the onl...YESSS!!! Thanks Anonymous, I thought I was the only one... I agree with everything you said! Totally! I give Felicity so much credit I don´t think she would go back to someone not worth being with! :)<br /><br />BriAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-20694296065020449212015-03-26T16:24:30.374-04:002015-03-26T16:24:30.374-04:00Hello again. Good episode, but not as good as the ...Hello again. Good episode, but not as good as the last one….. It was impossible, even with a wedding and a baby around Oliver ;)<br />I always thought Deadshot had something good in him… I hated him because of what he did to Diggle´s brother, but when he became a member of the Suicide Squad something changed…. And so I liked very much what they did with him in this episode….. I agree with you in him not being dead…… That “suicide” could have been his way to escape (although… didn´t they have a chip or something in the head that made them localizable at all times, and that could explode??). Also… I ship Deadshot and Cupid soooooo much!!!!! More than Thea and Roy, more even than Lyla and Diggle…. And I hope he´s not dead so we can sail that ship!<br />I don´t think Ray has the right to be mad at Felicity because she didn´t tell him Oliver was the arrow….. That´s his secret. And maybe Felicity would have asked Oliver permission to tell Ray in the future, when their relationship was more advanced, but not now. And how he reacts, pushing Felicity out , and not trusting her opinion of Arrow, that´s the part in which I didn´t agree with Ray…..although I kind of understand the situation… he´s jealous, he´s mad at Felicity and he reacts that way (Thank God everybody knows now who Arrow is and they stop him. Yes, Laurel.). But everything else… Ray acted like a normal boyfriend, and although at first I was disappointed with his reaction, at the end of the episode I was back to my opinion of liking him. Ok, he´s not Oliver, but he cares about Felicity a lot…. And she cares about him as well… they find the way back to each other because their relationship is really important for both of them, it´s not just a stone in the way of Olicity….It is something to take into account. (Felicity tells Oliver she is VERY happy…. And I believe her completely, her face and her eyes corroborate what her mouth says).<br /> I think Oliver won a lot of points today (with everyone in the show and with everyone in the audience). He was straightforward with everybody, he helped Felicity with Ray when she needed him (even if she didn´t ask, and ok, it was the right thing to do, but not everyone would have done it). He didn´t like Ray being the Atom and what that meant for Felicity´s safety, but he helped them fix things, and that´s something alright!<br />And in my opinion Ray didn´t change his mind just because of Oliver´s speech (nominated to better speech of the year: She chose you, so trust her…..), he was realizing himself what a mistake he had made... The last scene between Ray and Felicity was really sweet, and she is so invested in this relationship, that I care about Ray because she cares about him too. So much so that I don´t know how the show is going to get rid of Ray without hurting Felicity´s feelings… <br />Oh well, another bad moment for Ray was when Atom electrocuted Roy…….. I yelled at him, and it wasn´t anything as beautiful as “super suit”. But then Oliver kicked his ass.<br />LOL!!! I vote for the SPA time!!! Totally, I hope she does something like that when she goes to Central City with Ray….. Caitlin, Iris and her…… <br />Mr. Brooding McBroodpants… That was really good!<br />“Oliver should probably just stop believing he is incapable of being happy”. YESSSSSSSS and when he does that everyone will be happier (them and us).<br />I kind of think Laurel acts a little bit almighty around Felicity….. Not as much as before…. But a little bit yet. And I have to say, I hated her before, I don´t like her now… but she´s growing on me…<br />Totally! I missed Hong kong flashbacks like minus 38. Can we have Deadshot´s flashbacks once in a while?<br />Bri<br />P.S.: When I started writing this, there were 2 comments….. Now there´s almost 30!!! OMG I have so much to read!!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-43107969907476905232015-03-26T14:47:43.799-04:002015-03-26T14:47:43.799-04:00First can I say your review along with jbuffyangel...First can I say your review along with jbuffyangel has given me a different perspective on that entire business last night. So for that I thank you because frustration brews strong for certain characters right now. <br /><br />I actually would like to add that none of Ray's actions actually surprised me. He's been a smug, arrogant, throw money at problems (his ability to talk at the mayor's podium?) personality since the beginning. It doesn't make you cringe any less but it wasn't completely left field. Also, Felicity and Ray's trust issues don't surprise me in the least. Ray's line about never lying to Felicity is quite laughable actually because their very first meet was under false pretences. Then he decided to allow Felicity to secretly work on a project now known as ATOM. Then he pulled her in to work on the suit, then he lied about it being ready...then, then, then. Boy done forgot he was also a lying liar that lies. The funny thing is, Oliver gave Felicity these little tasks to help his Hood activities but they also proved her trustworthy. Ray lied to Felicity for his (Lex Luthor?) reasons but immediately turns on her when she's not entirely forthcoming. <br /><br />I digress. I can rant about Ray quite a bit but what I'm getting at is, before anything remotely romantic happened between Felicity and Oliver, they trusted each other implicitly. They were ride or die buddies, which cannot be said for Ray and Felicity at all. Several times over the past few months I have questioned why Felicity doesn't question Ray's nefarious self when she calls out Oliver on probably changing the toilet paper. I don't really agree with Ray being up front about what he wants. He was up front when she threatened to leave, upfront when she didn't want to talk, upfront after she realised he was the dude who came into this shop. Up front about feelings? Mm yes the week after Felicity tells him someone who was "more" to her died, he was making moves on her! Felicity tells him to stop working, he tells her to bugger off and she has to use her genius brain to get him to do what she said. Then "the lunge" 2.0 happens with preceding "I only see you" and other such snot. Sorry Ray makes me bitter. It's not what I wanted for Felicity.<br /><br />Perhaps I'm being entirely too negative about Rayman's actions and words but for the life of me, the only positive this man has given Felicity is a high paying job (that he had to tackle her into taking). I would be open to someone giving me a different perspective actually. I can't only find negatives with a character.<br /><br />I've finally gotten a better perspective on the whole "she chose you" line from Oliver. I've genuinely been puzzled by bossmans thought processes if he thinks Felicity chose Ray over him. But I see now what he meant was she chose Ray to share her life with, not over him. Seems a big oversight right now but he's been saying similar since ep 7. So, thank you.Lanchehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08423127322234506429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-18795773226214838262015-03-26T14:39:52.303-04:002015-03-26T14:39:52.303-04:00I did feel the need to defend Ray a little mostly ...I did feel the need to defend Ray a little mostly because I like to offer another side however I can switch sides and disagree again because while Ray Palmer could have made some good points this episode I don't believe he's been 100% honest. <br /><br />This has been pointed out by others but I believe it bears repeating. Even if we overlook the fact that he certainly kept secrets when he first met her at the electronics store so that he could illegally get information on the company he wanted to take over he also wasn't up front about his ATOM plans at all. He presented her the problem of the damaged server to fix right after hiring her without telling her that he wanted access to the QC tech for his own supersuit (a slight conflict of interest). He didn't tell her why he wanted the mining rights in 3x07 when she basically got them for him during that dinner. And when he did tell her it was because she came into his office and told him she would quit if he didn't come clean. <br /><br />Now I can see what he means. Ever since they became involved he has kept no secrets from her and she has had hidden parts of her life. But I still think it was an overreaction to go from she didn't tell me everything about her friend to she hid something from me because she has feelings for him to I can't trust her at all.<br /><br />But always good to remind everyone to take another look at every character and not condemn any too easily.Beccanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-54529573241860355882015-03-26T14:26:18.986-04:002015-03-26T14:26:18.986-04:00Hello lovely anon. Thank you, first off, for comme...Hello lovely anon. Thank you, first off, for commenting. :) Secondly, I don't know if there will ever come a point in which Felicity has to decide Atom or Arrow. Honestly, it seems clear that Felicity's loyalties will always be with Team Arrow. If they weren't, she wouldn't have told Oliver that Ray was coming for him, wouldn't have told him all the things that had happened. She may want a relationship with Ray and to help him, but I honestly have no doubt in my mind that if it was a choice between siding with Oliver (which she did in this episode, repeatedly) and siding with Ray, she would choose Oliver every time.<br /><br />I think it's going to be more than Atom vs. Arrow when Felicity makes a choice between them: I think it'll be about choosing Oliver or choosing Ray and not even THAT, really, but choosing what kind of life she wants and deserves for herself; choosing whether she can be fully committed to two people at the same time. I can't say for sure but I feel like in the end, her choice will be less of her choosing and more of Oliver choosing life with HER if that makes sense?<br /><br />Thanks again for your comments! :)Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-76291358124061943732015-03-26T14:22:18.367-04:002015-03-26T14:22:18.367-04:00I figure that the "She chose you" line w...I figure that the "She chose you" line was not meant to be understood as 'She chose you over me.' but more like 'She could do any number of things with her life and she has chosen to be with you, you lucky idiot. Just shut up, realise your good fortune and trust the woman."<br /><br />I would rather the Felicity/Ray thing just peter out of its own accord and due to its own weaknesses or issues rather than it come down to an actual choice between Oliver and Ray. That gets way too love-triangle for me and a thus sooooo boring. And thus far they haven't let it become too traditionally triangle-y.Beccanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-15048470649894526272015-03-26T14:15:39.840-04:002015-03-26T14:15:39.840-04:00Thanks so much for reading and commenting, sblanca...Thanks so much for reading and commenting, sblancap & Nadine.<br /><br />I tend to agree with you on the kiss on the cheek thing. I waffle back and forth between: "Felicity knows how much Oliver cares" and "Felicity knows how much Oliver used to care but is unsure what he currently feels." I feel like Felicity naturally is a very physical person so she expresses her emotions and gratitude or concern with touches (like she touched Oliver last week, locked her fingers with Ray this week, kissed Oliver on the cheek) so that seems rather consistent. Kudos to Amell in that scene because A+ face work, as always.<br /><br />Nadine, you're totally right: Oliver ACTUALLY backed up his words with his actions, multiple times, and came to Felicity's defense MULTIPLE TIMES. It was so refreshing to see him be upfront and honest for a change. More of this Oliver Queen, please and thank you.<br /><br />I'll NEVER GET OVER THE FACT THAT RAY SHOT AT ROY. Like, literally minutes earlier he was talking about how cool your suit was to Oliver, you jerkface. Why did he need to shoot him? Ugh, Ray is the worst. #sorrynotstorry<br /><br />Thank you both for your comments! <3Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.com