tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post7189856919739584659..comments2024-03-24T03:19:39.745-04:00Comments on Just About Write: Arrow 4x17 Review: "Beacon of Hope" (#LadiesSupportingLadies)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-8616298693517626592016-03-31T13:47:51.657-04:002016-03-31T13:47:51.657-04:00Thanks for the compliment; I'm surprised I spe...Thanks for the compliment; I'm surprised I spent a review NOT hating every single thing about the episode! <br /><br />As for the shipping stuff, I know sometimes it can be hurtful if someone (or multiple someones) in a certain sub-set of a fandom seem to ruin things for you. And apologies if someone in the Olicity fandom has hurt you personally and that's why you're quicker to arm yourself against them.<br /><br />But all I ask is you think about how it would be the other way around. I don't hate people who love Laurel or people who ship Oliver/Laurel. But I would be lying if I said I've never seen extremely harmful (even life-threatening, harassing) things even recently sent to my Olicity friends from people in that particular group. Horrifying things, really that no human -- regardless of whether you love Laurel, Felicity, Olicity, or Oliver/Laurel -- should say to another human.<br /><br />But I won't judge all LL fans and Oliver/Laurel shippers on that, and I'm glad at least you're willing to admit that we're not all bad too on the other side of the Olicity pond. ;) <br /><br />Just know that as a part of a group, it sucks when you get lumped in with the "rotten eggs," especially when I'm friends with some of the good ones.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-79345767602343210722016-03-31T13:22:27.478-04:002016-03-31T13:22:27.478-04:00I meant as a collective, they are always a very fe...I meant as a collective, they are always a very few exceptions. For a Felicity/Olicity fan, this article was pretty professionally objective and fair. I wouldn't have bothered reading and commenting on it otherwise. Good read too, its been a while since I cared to read Arrow reviews, the show had sucked that much.<br /><br />Sorry, sometimes you meet a million rotten eggs, to remember that they are some good and logical people hidden inside the cesspool. Dont take my Olicity fandom intolerant comments personally.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06341429847566332162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-41154771120253066402016-03-31T12:56:35.413-04:002016-03-31T12:56:35.413-04:00{Guess what no Olicty its gone and Felicity can st...{Guess what no Olicty its gone and Felicity can stand on her own and help save the day.}<br /><br />Unfortunately Its not over, I dont hate Felicity, I think she can be good away from Oliver/Olicity mess and Arrow writers. They are never going to write her consistently organic anymore. Ever. It was good to see her take a breather from Oliver/Olicity, though it wont last long. Her new mission is an incredible idea. She can be good again but the arrow writer will never let her. The Olicity fandom will never let her.<br /><br />{But I think its time to prepare for Diggle's death he's the one in the grave and the promo for next week does not help matters. John Diggle will be missed dearly.}<br /><br />I wish. Its Laurel, she deserves so much better than these writers, so its not going to be so sad for me. Black Canary will live on beyond this mess.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06341429847566332162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-64904889770538878632016-03-31T12:41:28.810-04:002016-03-31T12:41:28.810-04:00Well there is a good reason for that, they are the...<i>Well there is a good reason for that, they are the worst group of people on the planet.</i><br /><br />You... do realize that I ship Oliver/Felicity too, right? Thanks for thinking I'm the worst person on the planet!Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-50415233543050759402016-03-31T12:39:29.746-04:002016-03-31T12:39:29.746-04:00{I know Laurel is a divisive character in fandom, ...{I know Laurel is a divisive character in fandom, and a lot of people who love the Oliver/Felicity relationship hate Laurel.}<br /><br />Nice to see an insider's voice telling the truth for once.<br /><br />{Conversely, a lot of staunch Laurel Lance fans hate Felicity and people who ship Oliver/Felicity. }<br /><br />Well there is a good reason for that, they are the worst group of people on the planet. Well Im almost glad after next week Laurel/Black Canary and her fandom, will not have to deal with these kind of people anymore. Poor other character like Mr T and any female character who <br />show Felicity up.<br /><br />(This is the first time in quite some time that I've had very little criticism for an Arrow episode. It's unsettling. In a good way!)<br /><br />Agree. Better episode than most, less Felicity/Olicity and more of other characters and relationships. Mr T killed it as as Green Arrow, Black Canary, Speeedy and Bee lover. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06341429847566332162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-6175259859585056972016-03-31T10:26:11.556-04:002016-03-31T10:26:11.556-04:00BECCA! As always, thank you for your comments. :D
...BECCA! As always, thank you for your comments. :D<br /><br /><i>Hurrah for Laurel laying the truth tea on Oliver. She was right on point and I loved the puppies and kittens line!</i><br /><br />God bless Laurel Lance, seriously.<br /><br /><i>On the one hand it is necessary to stop the villians from doing harm and that is Green Arrow's work. However, while crime fighting can help in its way it cannot provide jobs, or education or help injured or sick people or get at the root causes of poverty, a big driver of crime. Palmer Tech and other groups can which is also important for making the world better. I think both need to work together which would be a nice parallel for Oliver's journey to do good both behind the mask and in the light of day.</i><br /><br />*standing ovation* How great is it to see that pull in Felicity to do good that doesn't involve putting bad guys in jail? In fact, the work she wants to do -- the changed lives she wants to kick-start -- would actually work in perfect tandem with Team Arrow's work. She would hopefully be providing the world with solutions before problems occur, rather than fixing problems retroactively, if that makes sense?<br /><br /><i>While we did have a Villain of the Week it didn't feel totally like a filler episode since we got to see a bit of Darhk in prison and his manoeuvrings there, including whatever convoluted scheme Malcolm is running. We also understood a bit more about HIVE. They are a collective and Darhk is not the boss of them and they are totally ready to cut him loose if it serves their purpose. Fascinating dynamics there.</i><br /><br />I'll agree slightly, but the Darhk stuff could have been placed into another episode, maybe. In spite of the fact that most of this episode was mellow, and low-key we did learn more about Darhk.<br /><br /><i>Even though Felicity is pretty good about discussing her emotions when necessary she can shut them down too.</i><br /><br />Agreed 100%. I loved seeing this parallelism, and the fact that Mama Smoak compared emotions to pistachios.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-82538037916350219272016-03-31T10:20:53.241-04:002016-03-31T10:20:53.241-04:00Donavan, thanks for summarizing the flashbacks for...Donavan, thanks for summarizing the flashbacks for me!<br /><br /><i>Guess what no Olicty its gone and Felicity can stand on her own and help save the day. Ah I won't dwell on it but its so good they broke up and may they never get together agian.</i><br /><br />I mean, I love Olicity, don't get me wrong. But this episode was a nice break from that soapy dramatic mess Arrow writers have thrown at us recently. And if you're celebrating now, I would hold off on that -- my bet is that Oliver/Felicity will be back together by the end of the season. Do I like that it will be rushed? No, but my best guess is they'll be rekindling. The show won't keep them apart for long and they certainly won't keep them forever.<br /><br /><i>You know seeing Thea, Donna and Felicity in this episodes keeps making me think why doesn't Felicity get some combat training. I mean she could have gone full Die Hard step on some broken glass swear at the FBI.</i><br /><br />I think your comment is echoed by a lot of people, but remember: Felicity is very VERY rarely ever in the field, let alone facing an enemy without back-up. She has no real reason to have combat training since most of her time on Team Arrow was fightin behind a desk. And now with her job at Palmer Tech being her priority, it would seem kind of pointless. I think the great thing about Felicity is that she's a hero because she doesn't wear a mask or fight like a vigilante. :)<br /><br /><i>But I think its time to prepare for Diggle's death he's the one in the grave and the promo for next week does not help matters. John Diggle will be missed dearly.</i><br /><br />I STRONGLY disagree with you here, but I'll bite my tongue if I'm wrong. There's pretty much no way in heck they're killing Diggle. Say goodbye to Laurel Lance, because I am 99.5% sure that next week will be the last time we see her Black Canary on this show.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-49120000582474206462016-03-31T10:16:13.502-04:002016-03-31T10:16:13.502-04:00Randall -- Thanks for reading and welcome to the s...Randall -- Thanks for reading and welcome to the site! I appreciate your comments and question. :)<br /><br /><i>I won't say that's wrong but also doesn't that sound a bit selfish of Felicity? I mean that's fine if it is but I just think that sounds worded wrong to me maybe? It just reads like if something doesn't help Felicity out , she wants to walk.</i><br /><br />So I've heard this a lot around the Internet recently -- about how Felicity is selfish for walking away and she should apologize to Oliver. And I know your comment isn't antagonistic; it's just curious to know what I meant. So here's what I mean: I don't think Felicity is selfish for walking away. I think that's noble and it's a sign she can identify an unhealthy relationship.<br /><br />The thing is, Oliver can wax poetic all day about how much Felicity means to him and he can give her these beautiful vows. But unless he proves with actions that he actually means any of those things, it's pointless and useless. Because the truth is that when it boils down to it, Oliver doesn't treat Felicity as a partner yet. Heck, she is pretty much the last person to know that he has a child. It's a matter of trust at that point, because he trusts Barry and Thea with his secret, but not Felicity.<br /><br />So the times Felicity has walked away from Oliver? Those are times in which he has proven that he wants to do everything by himself and that he doesn't want to open up and let her in. She doesn't have to always be the reason he does things -- she doesn't want that either -- but she wants to be let into the conversation. And it'd be unhealthy of her to stay in a relationship where she knows her partner withholds things from her. It would be unhealthy for her to settle for just being the third or fourth person to know his secrets.<br /><br />Could you imagine that? Could you imagine your partner making a huge life decision and your sister-in-law or good friend know about it before YOU do? <br /><br />So that's what it boils down to -- is it healthy for Felicity to stay with someone who, right now, doesn't let her in in the ways that she needs to be let in? No.<br /><br /><i>hen will Oliver ever be able to provide a better life for her? He's never going to stop being the Arrow and Felicity going to be at Palmer Tech for a long time so how will they be able to reconnect? Because I really hope they do!</i><br /><br />I hope so too! I think that the answer above answers this question a little: when Oliver finally decides to go to Felicity with his problems rather than solving them himself -- when he opens up enough to trust her with how he's feeling -- then their relationship will be better; then she will know that her life can be good and healthy with Oliver.<br /><br />Until then, Oliver can say all the nice vows he wants and swear he'll never lie to her again, but until he proves he's trustworthy and respects her, anything else is just talk.<br /><br />Thanks for your comment! :)Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-64049102974218107812016-03-31T07:54:57.835-04:002016-03-31T07:54:57.835-04:00I did like you mentioning how it fought the humor ...I did like you mentioning how it fought the humor Curtis was trying to do. I don't mind humor on here but too much can make it really bad. So thank you for mentioning that.<br /><br />but have to ask about this line "She isn't afraid to walk away when situations aren't helping her."<br />I won't say that's wrong but also doesn't that sound a bit selfish of Felicity? I mean that's fine if it is but I just think that sounds worded wrong to me maybe? It just reads like if something doesn't help Felicity out , she wants to walk.*<br /><br />*I figured you didn't mean it like that but that's just what it read like to me*<br /><br /><br />"She's doing it because she deserves a better life than Oliver can provide for her right now, and she's doing it because — by walking away — she's going to be able to provide better lives to people who use Palmer Technologies."<br /><br />I agree with you here but also when will Oliver ever be able to provide a better life for her? He's never going to stop being the Arrow and Felicity going to be at Palmer Tech for a long time so how will they be able to reconnect? Because I really hope they do!! <br /><br /><br />Overall I enjoyed your review (first time reading) and thank you for letting me share my thoughts. Randallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-15518624789217124162016-03-31T05:20:16.863-04:002016-03-31T05:20:16.863-04:00Flashbacks: Reiter got the powers from Idol ala Da...Flashbacks: Reiter got the powers from Idol ala Daimen Dhark in the Present. Now Oliver and Taiana are going to kill all the guards before they can kill the prisoners and give Reiter more power. Hmmm this kind of reminds me something from the Arrow Origins comics when Oliver fought drug trade on the island except with magic. If this show was a comic book these flashbacks would work better. Then the flashbacks could be a back issue. <br /><br />This episode was funny really funny, we had puns we had Curtis he even backfliped over the railing to get away from the Bee. Guess what no Olicty its gone and Felicity can stand on her own and help save the day. Ah I won't dwell on it but its so good they broke up and may they never get together agian. <br /><br />You know seeing Thea, Donna and Felicity in this episodes keeps making me think why doesn't Felicity get some combat training. I mean she could have gone full Die Hard step on some broken glass swear at the FBI. But I can agree with you that the Lances (both of them) were on point. <br /><br />Anyway this was a funny and good episode I enjoyed it we saw more of Curtis's husband who's name escape me its good we get to see more of the other characters. But I think its time to prepare for Diggle's death he's the one in the grave and the promo for next week does not help matters. John Diggle will be missed dearly. Donavan Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17451184544030827641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-85492988913744638482016-03-31T05:07:56.230-04:002016-03-31T05:07:56.230-04:00I really enjoyed the new configurations that this ...I really enjoyed the new configurations that this episode provided. It's sad to see characters in pain but I really enjoy how that shake up provided for Felicity/Thea (such a good sister vibe starting there, cute!), Oliver/Laurel, Lance/Curtis etc. It made for some refreshing and entertaining conversations. <br /><br />Hurrah for Laurel laying the truth tea on Oliver. She was right on point and I loved the puppies and kittens line! <br /><br />Lance/Curtis are a great pairing! I enjoyed seeing Lance in the lair. Now that he's suspended we get to see him hanging around the Arrow cave and it's nice. Probably wouldn't last for too long because he needs a purpose of his own but I can see him joining the team for awhile as his only option to serve the city.<br /><br />I was so proud to see Felicity take up that lamp and think fast when both Thea and Oliver were down. It was fascinating to hear her talk about her desire to make the world a better place in her own way. When she met Oliver and Diggle she was not in a position to effect real change so working with them gave her the opportunity to do some real good in the world which has always been a driving motivation for her. With a little bit of space from the team she is realising that she has the power of Palmer tech to use to help people and fulfil that desire without the violence. She always fit so easily into Team Arrow and I would hate for her apart from the Team for too long but doing good in the light is a good place for her to put her energies too. And we know that the character death or other traumas are going to pull them all back into the fight. Perhaps it can all fit together in the end. On the one hand it is necessary to stop the villians from doing harm and that is Green Arrow's work. However, while crime fighting can help in its way it cannot provide jobs, or education or help injured or sick people or get at the root causes of poverty, a big driver of crime. Palmer Tech and other groups can which is also important for making the world better. I think both need to work together which would be a nice parallel for Oliver's journey to do good both behind the mask and in the light of day. You gotta have trauma surgeons for the emergencies and you need GPs and nurses etc to help people get and stay healthy. <br /><br />While we did have a Villain of the Week it didn't feel totally like a filler episode since we got to see a bit of Darhk in prison and his manoeuvrings there, including whatever convoluted scheme Malcolm is running. We also understood a bit more about HIVE. They are a collective and Darhk is not the boss of them and they are totally ready to cut him loose if it serves their purpose. Fascinating dynamics there.<br /><br />Because the idol is broken I don't feel the urgency of learning about its powers in the flashbacks. Unless it connects in some other way (please give me more connections and soon!) I tend to tune out of the flashbacks as well. The interpersonal dynamics are not compelling enough and the plot information isn't giving me a big reason to care either.<br /><br />- The way Felicity and Thea curled up on those chairs for a heart to heart at the end gave such a sisterly feeling to that scene. Love it!!<br />- Mama Smoak's line about the pistachios was priceless. I love those things and getting the good stuff out takes some work. Cool little insight from a person who knows Felicity's character so well. Even though Felicity is pretty good about discussing her emotions when necessary she can shut them down too. She tends to intellectualize (Shh, I'm thinking) and overthink which is a nice comparison to Oliver's tendency to shutdown too. He just tends to funnel it into beating on things and she works a lot and gets very cerebral. They are different and yet similar in some ways.Beccanoreply@blogger.com