tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post2418514048711383151..comments2024-03-14T02:13:34.702-04:00Comments on Just About Write: Arrow 3x02 "Sara" (Grief Does Not Change You)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-19502752480706880632016-08-19T05:59:14.714-04:002016-08-19T05:59:14.714-04:00"Grief does not change you...it reveals you.&..."Grief does not change you...it reveals you." - Peter Van Houten TFinOSJohn P. Alvarezhttp://www.bestpowerfulflashlights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-55647184135293708372014-10-16T15:02:19.603-04:002014-10-16T15:02:19.603-04:00In his NYCC panel, Stephen points out that it took...In his NYCC panel, Stephen points out that it took them 9 episodes (til the midseason finale) to introduce the main villain of the season (s1 Dark Archer, s2 Deathstroke), so I'm inclined to think, based on the way he phrased things, that it might be the same here, but we all KNOW Ra's did it, so I hope they have a twist in there somewhere, but it makes the most sense for Ra's to have done it since it's the best way to introduce him as a villain and give Oliver the strongest reason to fight him. So hopefully they have something in there that lets this stretched out reveal not feel so stretched. (if they hadn't announced Ra's at SDCC, it'd feel much different. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-25161113334426669902014-10-16T14:44:59.772-04:002014-10-16T14:44:59.772-04:00Great review but I wonder how long they can have t...Great review but I wonder how long they can have the "who killed Sara?" Arc. As I love a good mystery but the thing is who could it be and how long will it drag out? (The obvious answer could be Malcolm or Ra's but a lot of people told me Thea.) I think it's neither but I would like to see it be a surprise. <br /><br />I also hope to see a Roy/Malcolm confrontation in next week's episode since Colton and John get along so well in real life.Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-32298685290051779082014-10-16T12:36:40.681-04:002014-10-16T12:36:40.681-04:00Thank you Connie! I was starting to think that no ...Thank you Connie! I was starting to think that no one could see sense. You are a kindred spirit and I admire your intelligence and understanding. This was a breath of fresh air!Josette Vellanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-8970311911169932642014-10-16T11:39:59.770-04:002014-10-16T11:39:59.770-04:00"At the end of the day, Sara died quietly, sl..."At the end of the day, Sara died quietly, slipping into the night like she had so many times before." Hmm yeah, this. Especially when thinking about what they want to do with Lance in terms of him not knowing yet. A big battle would have also been harder to hide from him. ALSO an interesting thought I just had: what if they don't tell him for so long that Laurel becomes BC and he thinks it's Sara? That seems like a LONG time to tell him, but the idea just occurred to me that it's something I could see happening. <br /><br />Yeah, Ray was annoying in the premiere, but definitely amped up a notch (the extra power from getting QC made him more arrogant and jerky) in this one. It's interesting to me that he "owns" his obnoxiousness, but yeah I even tweeted that, no, Felicity's anger was still a little about you, Ray. Partially because of his ridiculous actions, but also because of Sara, but not her death; rather, the way she didn't let men own her or control her. Sara would never let Ray (or anyone) treat herself or Felicity that way. It's in these ways, more than just the hunt for her killer and Sara Diggle (OMG, right? I had a feeling they would, but awwww), that Sara will live on this season. Her example, especially to Felicity (and obviously Laurel as well) will affect all these characters. Oliver too, with the "we need people without masks," he was trying to take the advice and decided against it, but now that she's gone and it was the last thing she said to him, he's going to internalize that more. He's just more stubborn about it than Felicity, lol. <br /><br />Aww, you're so nice. I'm feeling the love! lol! And I love your posts because after Sara's death, I've been reluctant to go on tumblr or anything (besides being too busy to) because I didn't feel like reading angry, mindless fanrage. I feel like this is a safe space where we can look past the immediate anger we all felt and analyze it from a story and writing point of view rather than just be angry because people think the writers are trying to do us a disservice, when they're just trying to tell an interesting story. Here, I can read analysis that understands why certain decisions are made, even if we don't like them. <br /><br />=DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-8799287116622763212014-10-16T09:38:05.542-04:002014-10-16T09:38:05.542-04:00CONNIE. You know I love you immensely and your com...CONNIE. You know I love you immensely and your comments are always welcome. I agree with you about Sara's death in some ways; I think I just always expected her to have a dramatic, big death because she was such a big character. But honestly, I think that the quietness of her death was so much more impactful (to me) than anything grand would have been. At the end of the day, Sara died quietly, slipping into the night like she had so many times before. And I agree with you in regards to "Sara" -- this episode wasn't just about how Sara impacted Oliver but how she impacted EVERYONE and made everyone feel something.<br /><br />You know, I didn't haaaaaate Ray Palmer in the premiere. He was like a smarmier, smugger version of Schmidt from "New Girl." But I loathed him in this episode because he was just being so aggressive toward Felicity who -- of course -- took none of his crap, even when he apologized. She wouldn't even look at him or smile. I think the fact that he mentioned her anger wasn't really with him irked me because, no, it WAS partially about him. Yes, a lot of it was Sara, but she found it creepy and insulting that he kept pestering her even when she told him to go away. I mean, stalker much? I don't hate him because he's coming between Oliver/Felicity -- I just HATE him, lol.<br /><br />I do wonder, given what we know about upcoming episodes, if Felicity will begin to back away again from Team Arrow. I don't blame her, really. And I don't blame her for going to Ray for the job at the end of the episode because grief makes people angry and upset and Felicity was both of those things. She's defiantly determined to make her life her own, whether Oliver chooses to be a part of it or not. And I applaud her sincerely for backing away and refusing to pine after him forever. That's a strong woman, right there. And I've seen people call it harsh, but I don't think it was. I think it was exactly what Oliver needed to hear because at the end of the episode, her words clearly impacted him as he says that "I don't want to die down here, John" line.<br /><br />Ugh, I feel so bad for Quentin. :( It's gonna be rough when he finds out, seriously. And I totally agree about the new intro! I love that it's about the team, not just Oliver.<br /><br />BASICALLY I LOVE YOU, CONNIE. But you probably already knew that.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-36074305974305951572014-10-16T09:16:03.169-04:002014-10-16T09:16:03.169-04:00Thanks for your comment and for reading! Well, to ...Thanks for your comment and for reading! Well, to me, it was telling that Oliver knew exactly how Laurel would handle her grief and that's why he took the bullets out of the gun that was on the table. He knew she would go after him because he knew that's what he would have done before (think season 1 anger/bitterness/rage). I think he knows her better than she thinks he does or -- at the very least -- knows what it's like to feel grief better than she does.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11696902354009598893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-79727652030758034872014-10-16T07:49:38.660-04:002014-10-16T07:49:38.660-04:00I agree with everything except that Oliver knows L...I agree with everything except that Oliver knows Laurel. For me the show has showed that they don't know each other as they thought. See seasons 1 & 2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6678481478994191244.post-63709188950758741602014-10-15T22:43:27.054-04:002014-10-15T22:43:27.054-04:00I think I understand both sides of the fridging of...I think I understand both sides of the fridging of Sara debate. I knew it was going to happen, i really had little doubt that they'd keep Sara alive and still get Laurel to Canary status, but I think conversely, I wish she'd had a better death? I definitely understand why it was necessary from a writing stand point; Sara going out in a blaze of glory doesn't allow for the exploration of character her death propels, so of COURSE she goes out in silence on a rooftop, but I *wish* it could have been in a blaze of glory. I think that's where some of my... not upset...I'm not mad at the writers or anything, I just think I get where some of the fandom anger comes from and empathize more than I think I even want to. But yeah, her character was certainly not a prop and from what I know about the fridging trope, it usually is a prop character who had potential to be their own person, but soley existed and died to further the hero's story, which isn't the case here. her death does so much more, especially because it's not just about the hero, it's about everyone. <br /><br />RE: hating Ray: So here comes Brandon Routh again, to cockily come between the OTP. I think anytime I see him on a show, I am going to dislike him just because of his character on Chuck (though, thinking about it, I suppose his character arc will be reverse in terms of "he's ok but annoying to hate"). I hope they address in clearer, more explicit terms, how not okay his actions are. Obviously that's where character development comes in, but he really needs to lay off of the harassment and we already see that Felicity doesn't take kindly to that (and in two episodes we'll get to see whyyyy!!!! =D) but at some point I hope his actions chill before we see Felicity actually take to liking him rather than tolerating him for giving her expanded opportunities. <br /><br />Yeah, that line about Oliver needing to kiss her just once, tell her he loved her just once before the inevitable... OW </3. But yeah, certainly true. I wonder where their dynamic goes from here, given her appearance on Flash in their next episode and her working with Ray. Will she be in the foundry at all, I can only imagine she'd be with John on the "i'm back until we find Sara's" killer train (sort of like her season 1 "I'll stay til we find Walter" ultimatum--they should reference that again actually..) because she loved Sara and would want to find her killer too. But then would be down there less often. Also dealing with Oliver's about face in not wanting to die in the Arrow cave, he thought he could have it, realized he couldn't, and now wants to try again. But I suppose part of his commitment to *living* might also have to do with the outcome of Thea's story. <br /><br />Poor Lance. After his initial grief of course, he's gonna be so upset he missed being able to lay her to rest, because he was the only one who knew the truth about Sara to not get to be there at her burial (well, Sin too. Also, no one mentioned her mother at all? I suppose Alex Kingston is busy somewhere...). <br /><br />The bits about leadership being apart of Oliver's identity and his team being mentioned in the intro is so lovely, gonna be great to watch that aspect of his character grow and develop. <br /><br />/end essay long comment. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com